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	<title>Comments on: Is Alex Kerr calling Debito a &#8220;smart nigger&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Dioguardi</title>
		<link>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Dioguardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've updated this entry slightly, so that people viewing the entry will be able to find Debito's most recent comments about it, along with Alex Kerr's very nice response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve updated this entry slightly, so that people viewing the entry will be able to find Debito&#8217;s most recent comments about it, along with Alex Kerr&#8217;s very nice response.</p>
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		<title>By: Arudou Debito</title>
		<link>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator>Arudou Debito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-251</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think that your combative attitude - the one mr.Kerr mentioned - prevented you from understanding what he really said. Which is basically the fact that, though Debito is doing the right thing, he’s still doing it the gaijin way.
You know the saying “When in Rome do as the Romans do”? Even fight against the rules should follow the rules, or it becomes unnecessary disruption of calm. And nobody take troublemakers seriously.&lt;/i&gt;

Which is precisely the point:  If Alex had bothered to read &lt;a href="http://www.debito.org/japaneseonly.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;JAPANESE ONLY&lt;/a&gt;, he would know that we DID in fact follow the rules, working through every channel available in the Japanese system to try to bring this issue to resolution. For someone like Alex to research as assiduously as he generally does for his books, yet to comment on an issue he clearly did NOT research thorouglyly, is out of character.  Then to characterize the movement as something that Japanese would not do is just plain erroneous.

Likewise with "smallq".  There is also a version of JAPANESE ONLY in Japanese for you.  I suggest you read it before you comment further.  Debito in Sapporo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think that your combative attitude - the one mr.Kerr mentioned - prevented you from understanding what he really said. Which is basically the fact that, though Debito is doing the right thing, he’s still doing it the gaijin way.<br />
You know the saying “When in Rome do as the Romans do”? Even fight against the rules should follow the rules, or it becomes unnecessary disruption of calm. And nobody take troublemakers seriously.</i></p>
<p>Which is precisely the point:  If Alex had bothered to read <a href="http://www.debito.org/japaneseonly.html" rel="nofollow">JAPANESE ONLY</a>, he would know that we DID in fact follow the rules, working through every channel available in the Japanese system to try to bring this issue to resolution. For someone like Alex to research as assiduously as he generally does for his books, yet to comment on an issue he clearly did NOT research thorouglyly, is out of character.  Then to characterize the movement as something that Japanese would not do is just plain erroneous.</p>
<p>Likewise with &#8220;smallq&#8221;.  There is also a version of JAPANESE ONLY in Japanese for you.  I suggest you read it before you comment further.  Debito in Sapporo</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dioguardi</title>
		<link>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Dioguardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 07:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-245</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I find the comparisons between the struggles of a white “gaijin” or “foreigner” (which Debito is not; he is a naturalized citizen) and that if African Americans to be disingenuous at best, and ludicrous at worst. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right!

Uh ... who made that comparison?

I was comparing the attitude that some took towards those blacks who tried to fit into society and follow the typical norms. When people tried not to let them, they asserted they were tax payers and had rights. When they did this they were regarded as doing something bad that might have dangerous repercussions. There was a concern that whites might react negatively to this, and that this might be harmful for everyone in the black community.

The same thing seems to be happening here. Debito is trying to fit in as an ordinary person in Japan. When people won't let him he talks about rights and says he's a tax payer just like everyone else. The critics (some of them) say he's still just a "gaijin" and that through his actions there might be dangerous repercussions. There is a concern that "Japanese" might react negatively to this, and that this might be harmful for everyone in the "gaijin" community.

Kerr says Debito isn't acting Japanese, but he's decidedly vague here. Also, given that Debito has expressed &lt;a href="http://www.debito.org/kumegaijinissue.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;his views on the word, "gaijin"&lt;/a&gt;, and is a citizen, I'm surprised that Kerr so casually threw this epithet at him.

What specifically has Debito done that's "over the top"? I mean really, Debito has written exhaustively about everything he has done. Not only this, but &lt;a href="http://www.debito.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;it's all on-line and searchable&lt;/a&gt;. If there's something he's *specifically* done, and you think it's wrong, then I think bringing criticism against it is totally appropriate. Please do so. But you need to be specific.

As far as "who cares?", well, I guess there's no question where you stand then, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
I find the comparisons between the struggles of a white “gaijin” or “foreigner” (which Debito is not; he is a naturalized citizen) and that if African Americans to be disingenuous at best, and ludicrous at worst.
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<p>Right!</p>
<p>Uh &#8230; who made that comparison?</p>
<p>I was comparing the attitude that some took towards those blacks who tried to fit into society and follow the typical norms. When people tried not to let them, they asserted they were tax payers and had rights. When they did this they were regarded as doing something bad that might have dangerous repercussions. There was a concern that whites might react negatively to this, and that this might be harmful for everyone in the black community.</p>
<p>The same thing seems to be happening here. Debito is trying to fit in as an ordinary person in Japan. When people won&#8217;t let him he talks about rights and says he&#8217;s a tax payer just like everyone else. The critics (some of them) say he&#8217;s still just a &#8220;gaijin&#8221; and that through his actions there might be dangerous repercussions. There is a concern that &#8220;Japanese&#8221; might react negatively to this, and that this might be harmful for everyone in the &#8220;gaijin&#8221; community.</p>
<p>Kerr says Debito isn&#8217;t acting Japanese, but he&#8217;s decidedly vague here. Also, given that Debito has expressed <a href="http://www.debito.org/kumegaijinissue.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">his views on the word, &#8220;gaijin&#8221;</a>, and is a citizen, I&#8217;m surprised that Kerr so casually threw this epithet at him.</p>
<p>What specifically has Debito done that&#8217;s &#8220;over the top&#8221;? I mean really, Debito has written exhaustively about everything he has done. Not only this, but <a href="http://www.debito.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">it&#8217;s all on-line and searchable</a>. If there&#8217;s something he&#8217;s *specifically* done, and you think it&#8217;s wrong, then I think bringing criticism against it is totally appropriate. Please do so. But you need to be specific.</p>
<p>As far as &#8220;who cares?&#8221;, well, I guess there&#8217;s no question where you stand then, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Behan</title>
		<link>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Behan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 03:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CNT, I don't think it's only one bath house that has denied entrance to foreigners.  

And by bringing brothels and strip bars into the argument, I think you are kind of tribvializing it.  

I don't think white foreigners have it pretty easy in Japan if they are looking for jobs outside of the English industry.  

Personally, I have been turned down for a non-eikaiwa job with the excuse that they wanted a Japanese person for the post.  Granted, I have only experienced that directly once, but I think you will find that a lot of gaijin, including white ones, will be turned down for jobs, housing, etc.

Just recently I found a poster for an apartment that said 'gaikokujin-ka'('foreigners OK' I guess).

A former employer of mine told me that the reason the apartment she found for me was in a different town was that the landlord was a man willing to rent to foreigners.

I wouldn't disagree that there are times or cases where whites get better treatment than other gaijin but I disagree with your blanket statement that 'White foreigners have it pretty good in Japan'.

Further, there is also the problem of children from marriages between foreigners and Japanese.  My son, born and raised in Japan, has been called a 'gaijin' on more than one occasion and is constantly referred to as a 'half'.  In a country that emphasizes homogeneity, I think he is being excluded to some degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNT, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s only one bath house that has denied entrance to foreigners.  </p>
<p>And by bringing brothels and strip bars into the argument, I think you are kind of tribvializing it.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think white foreigners have it pretty easy in Japan if they are looking for jobs outside of the English industry.  </p>
<p>Personally, I have been turned down for a non-eikaiwa job with the excuse that they wanted a Japanese person for the post.  Granted, I have only experienced that directly once, but I think you will find that a lot of gaijin, including white ones, will be turned down for jobs, housing, etc.</p>
<p>Just recently I found a poster for an apartment that said &#8216;gaikokujin-ka&#8217;('foreigners OK&#8217; I guess).</p>
<p>A former employer of mine told me that the reason the apartment she found for me was in a different town was that the landlord was a man willing to rent to foreigners.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t disagree that there are times or cases where whites get better treatment than other gaijin but I disagree with your blanket statement that &#8216;White foreigners have it pretty good in Japan&#8217;.</p>
<p>Further, there is also the problem of children from marriages between foreigners and Japanese.  My son, born and raised in Japan, has been called a &#8216;gaijin&#8217; on more than one occasion and is constantly referred to as a &#8216;half&#8217;.  In a country that emphasizes homogeneity, I think he is being excluded to some degree.</p>
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		<title>By: CNT</title>
		<link>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>CNT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-238</guid>
		<description>I find the comparisons between the struggles of a white "gaijin" or "foreigner" (which Debito is not; he is a naturalized citizen) and that if African Americans to be disingenuous at best, and ludicrous at worst. What's next? Arudo Debito is the new Rosa Parks? And the appropriation of the "n word" out of context is truly vexing. I hope this isn't taken as an ad hominem attack, because it isn't meant to be. I think everyone agrees that foreign workers, foreign residents and ethnic minorities are prevented from enjoying basic civil rights they might expect to receive in any other G7 nation, and that Debito is doing a great job organizing, speaking out and acting as an information warehouse.

At the same time, I think what Alex Kerr is getting at is the tactics Debito uses are not always subtle. Sometimes it feels like it's a bit of overkill. I mean, it's a problem when foreigners are barred from entering a pub or brothel or whatever based on their ethnicity. But in the grand scheme of things, who cares? I think Debito's most valuable work is his reporting on the incredible problems Brazilians face when trying to assimilate into Japanese culture.

White foreigners have it pretty easy in Japan. More work needs to be done on exposing the challenges of immigrants from other communities. If Debito could "brand" himself that way, his comments on other more seemingly trivial issues (not everyone understands the significance of being barred from just one bathhouse in Hokkaido) might be more digestable to the public at large.

My own agenda: I lived in Japan for ten years, and was refused admittance to an establishment exactly once: at a strip bar in Mishima, Shizuoka. 

As for Alex Kerr, well, he's a pompous, fussy blowhard. What do you expect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the comparisons between the struggles of a white &#8220;gaijin&#8221; or &#8220;foreigner&#8221; (which Debito is not; he is a naturalized citizen) and that if African Americans to be disingenuous at best, and ludicrous at worst. What&#8217;s next? Arudo Debito is the new Rosa Parks? And the appropriation of the &#8220;n word&#8221; out of context is truly vexing. I hope this isn&#8217;t taken as an ad hominem attack, because it isn&#8217;t meant to be. I think everyone agrees that foreign workers, foreign residents and ethnic minorities are prevented from enjoying basic civil rights they might expect to receive in any other G7 nation, and that Debito is doing a great job organizing, speaking out and acting as an information warehouse.</p>
<p>At the same time, I think what Alex Kerr is getting at is the tactics Debito uses are not always subtle. Sometimes it feels like it&#8217;s a bit of overkill. I mean, it&#8217;s a problem when foreigners are barred from entering a pub or brothel or whatever based on their ethnicity. But in the grand scheme of things, who cares? I think Debito&#8217;s most valuable work is his reporting on the incredible problems Brazilians face when trying to assimilate into Japanese culture.</p>
<p>White foreigners have it pretty easy in Japan. More work needs to be done on exposing the challenges of immigrants from other communities. If Debito could &#8220;brand&#8221; himself that way, his comments on other more seemingly trivial issues (not everyone understands the significance of being barred from just one bathhouse in Hokkaido) might be more digestable to the public at large.</p>
<p>My own agenda: I lived in Japan for ten years, and was refused admittance to an establishment exactly once: at a strip bar in Mishima, Shizuoka. </p>
<p>As for Alex Kerr, well, he&#8217;s a pompous, fussy blowhard. What do you expect?</p>
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		<title>By: Arudou Debito</title>
		<link>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>Arudou Debito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-234</guid>
		<description>Thanks back to you, Matt.  I really appreciate somebody taking up the quite out-of-character comments of Alex Kerr in that JT interview.

What really set my head spinning after that was when I asked Alex (he's on my mailing lists) shortly after the interview whether or not he had read my book &lt;a href="http://www.debito.org/japaneseonly.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;JAPANESE ONLY&lt;/a&gt;.  (I had sent him a free copy.)  He said he had not.  

So what the HELL was he doing commenting like this, then?  On methods he hadn't read about?!  Infuriating, to be sure.  

Then you took it up from another angle I hadn't considered.  Again, thanks for that.  

Your blog is very good indeed.  Keep it up.  Debito in Sapporo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks back to you, Matt.  I really appreciate somebody taking up the quite out-of-character comments of Alex Kerr in that JT interview.</p>
<p>What really set my head spinning after that was when I asked Alex (he&#8217;s on my mailing lists) shortly after the interview whether or not he had read my book <a href="http://www.debito.org/japaneseonly.html" rel="nofollow">JAPANESE ONLY</a>.  (I had sent him a free copy.)  He said he had not.  </p>
<p>So what the HELL was he doing commenting like this, then?  On methods he hadn&#8217;t read about?!  Infuriating, to be sure.  </p>
<p>Then you took it up from another angle I hadn&#8217;t considered.  Again, thanks for that.  </p>
<p>Your blog is very good indeed.  Keep it up.  Debito in Sapporo</p>
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		<title>By: smallq</title>
		<link>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>smallq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that your combative attitude - the one mr.Kerr mentioned - prevented you from understanding what he really said. Which is basically the fact that, though Debito is doing the right thing, he's still doing it the gaijin way.
You know the saying "When in Rome do as the Romans do"? Even fight against the rules should follow the rules, or it becomes unnecessary disruption of calm. And nobody take troublemakers seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that your combative attitude - the one mr.Kerr mentioned - prevented you from understanding what he really said. Which is basically the fact that, though Debito is doing the right thing, he&#8217;s still doing it the gaijin way.<br />
You know the saying &#8220;When in Rome do as the Romans do&#8221;? Even fight against the rules should follow the rules, or it becomes unnecessary disruption of calm. And nobody take troublemakers seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dioguardi</title>
		<link>http://japan.shadowofiris.com/nihonjinron/is-alex-kerr-calling-debito-a-smart-nigger/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Dioguardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted a message to the &lt;a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/communityinjapan/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;Community in Japan email group&lt;/a&gt; concerning the above entry. Debito reposted that message in full along with a link to this entry on his own blog. &lt;a href="http://www.debito.org/index.php/?p=300" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here is the link to the entry at Debito's blog&lt;/a&gt;.

I was glad to see that Debito thought the message was a thoughtful one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted a message to the <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/communityinjapan/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Community in Japan email group</a> concerning the above entry. Debito reposted that message in full along with a link to this entry on his own blog. <a href="http://www.debito.org/index.php/?p=300" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Here is the link to the entry at Debito&#8217;s blog</a>.</p>
<p>I was glad to see that Debito thought the message was a thoughtful one!</p>
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